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Caroline Ford's avatar

Oh boy, it is so interesting reading everyone’s thoughts this! I really appreciate both the original Instagram post And this newsletter about it And people’s responses to this newsletter! Here are some of my loose thoughts in no particular order:

It’s a shame that Instagram comments are so often finding the least generous interpretation of what someone is saying and then arguing from there. It feels like some sort of constructive debate exercise could baked into the app to combat this but that’s not really what social media is about.

I really feel like if our society in general was less emphatic about the nuclear family and having kids in general people would be less vehement about not liking kids. It strikes me that this is a sentiment I’ve heard almost entirely from women and I think it’s often in reaction to a presumption that they should love children and be instantly good with them. I hope as a society we are slowly getting better about planning women under this type of pressure.

I pride myself as being a good friend and had a partner who made it a priority for me to get baby-free time with my friends. Even so, The first year of my (now 1.5 year old) baby’s life when my friends and I got together was not good. My brain just felt like empty static. I didn’t want to be a cliché who only could talk about their kid but I didn’t have any anecdotes or jokes or ideas, I hadn’t listened to and music or seen any films. It was a very isolating combination of depression, anxiety and obliteration of identity and even though now I feel so much more myself I still would never be able to explain that feeling to my group of friends without kids. I was just showing up those 4 or 5 times to be a placeholder to maintain those friendships for a future self. But it felt as bad as it did good some of the time. That is in no way the fault of my friends, it’s just a hard true thing.

One thing I would recommend most of all for friendships regardless of child status is to live in proximity. It is such a game changer to just be living lives physically close by. One friend would ride her bike right past my house frequently and I would see her while taking by baby out for a walk in the awful early evening panic hour. Her just stopping to chat for 5 minutes or share a slice of watermelon on the stoop would absolutely make my day. Make your neighbours your friends, yes. But if you can make your friends your neighbours it will enrich your life infinitely.

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Oh man. We need a phrase to describe when you stop what you're doing - in my case, drying my hair, an activity that takes forever - to go comment on a newsletter you just read. A "pause the pod" for the written word.

I appreciated the sentiment of the IG post at the time, though I definitely fell into the childfree irked camp. So many parents start ignoring their friends/talking only about their children and/or stop inviting their childfree friends to things because they "assume they don't want to hang out with kids." This is a hella two way street, but no one is responsible for representing both sides of everything, and I appreciated your perspective.

But let's go back to this: "It is bonkers to me that it is socially acceptable to say that you just don’t like all children."

Hooboy, the inhale I inhaled. If I had my Garmin on, I know it would've yelled at me to chill the fuck out.

I should add the necessary caveats before diving in. This weekend, I am writing letters to friends 3- and 6-year-old kiddos. I pretend they come from Maggie Modzelewski, Headmistress of the Cathedral of Learning Witchcraft and Wizardry. They are delivered by two stuffies I bought them when we toured the Cathedral of Learning together. I have holiday presents on my table for three other significant children in my life, "the boys," as I call them, the sons of two dear friends who are close to each other, close in age and luckily, close to me. I love these children.

But listen: I don't like children. I like and love and adore some individuals. I like the concept of them, the furthering of humanity, the many good things you raise. But I have never known how to hang out with them, even when I was one. (My kindergarten teacher made me a "room mother" because I was better at organizing than engaging.) I am bad at play. It drives me up a wall that I can't understand what they're saying.

There's a line in an essay I wrote about abortion where I'm remembering talking about finding out I was pregnant. "What am I going to do, have Whiskey watch the baby while I work like he’s Nana from Peter Fucking Pan? Also. I hate children."

Whiskey was my dog, and he was the only childcare I would've had available. But more importantly, it felt important to acknowledge that I am generally extremely unhappy spending more than 90 minutes with a child. A mother in my writing group commented, "You cannot mean this."

She's right. I don't hate children. But in a moment when I was deciding whether or not I wanted to have one, that's absolutely a flippant thing I would've said, and I feel zero shame about it.

Similarly, not liking children is a quick shorthand for the fact that, with individual and time-limited exceptions, I don't especially enjoy their company. I am happy to make the time and form relationships with my friends' kiddos. This, as you say, is part of life. But I cannot understand why there should be any more shame around generally not enjoying hanging around kids than not enjoying hanging around dogs. Dogs are great! They're soft and sweet and pure joy and love and light. Do I understand when someone doesn't want to hang out with my dog? No. But I'm not going to try to suggest it's bonkers, and would absolutely love it if people who dig spending time with teacup humans could extend the same courtesy.

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